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A brief overview of the Organised Chaos & OGA Meet-up

A brief overview of the Organised Chaos & OGA Meet-up

Recently we heard news about Organised Chaos (a huge lan in Cape Town) ‘teaming’ up with Mind Sports South Africa. The news came when Organised Chaos created their own association called OGA – Organised Gamers Association. After hearing about the affiliation between OC and MSSA, many players were upset and decided to voice their opinions online.

OC decided to host a conference/meeting about this earlier tonight. The OC crew urged all players, clans and members of both, the LAN event and the OGA to attend.

eGamer decided to attend the meeting, along with the well-informed industry roleplayer, some of the Warcraft 3 Twilight admins, a couple of Bravado players, a player from Call of Duty 4, a dude that hosts his own 8 – 32 player lans, Alcardu, and of course Cyrus – the MSSA representative.

To be honest, the turn out was poor, and this was stated during the meeting as everyone thought that more people would be there.

So moving on, we get to the meeting. It started off with everyone being seated and receiving a document stating a few things about the affiliation.

After a question about the OGA being separate from the MSSA was asked, we were told that they were two different entities, but they were just in affiliation. However when well-informed industry roleplayer pointed out something in their document which stated that the OGA was actually a part of the MSSA, the OC hosts started to realise that maybe the MSSA isn’t actually that great for gaming, at the this point in time.

After a few more questions from the well-informed industry roleplayer, we were told that the document was only a rough draft. This being said, the OC crew were open to other comments and suggestions.

After a range of questions from a CoD4 player were asked, the MSSA fanboi representative was called up for some Q & A. He could only really answer the questions by saying, and I quote, “yes”. After this, the host of the meeting received a call from the MSSA president himself. The call was ignored as we were busy, but someone did phone back to ask what’s up.

Although we didn’t hear what the MSSA president had to say, we still decided to moved on. As a side note who does the president actually think he is to stop a meeting by means of a phone call? Surely he should realise that we are busy, and that the MSSA does not run everything.

After support from various communities to drop the MSSA name and affiliation, the OC guys to started to agree with everyone. At first it seemed as if they were very pro-MSSA, but as people started to voice their opinion about the MSSA, the OC guys decided that they will look into the matter.

Players in attendance brought up the question of what is the actual point of SA colours, and why not just offer a LAN or qualifier where players can get sent overseas, as many players’ do not actually care about the colours, as they just want to play overseas, with or without representing a country. Pretty much all of the teams in the world already play under a team name and not under a country name, so why should we be different? Why should we be forced to play under rules which are horrible, rules which bind you and pretty much steal your freedom.

After many more questions, and stories being thrown around, everyone in attendance agreed that the OC should try their own way, and not just use the MSSA to get somewhere. The OC crew agreed with this, and they said they will scrap the MSSA and try their own way.

If OC does decide to try their own way, they will have eGamer’s full support, along with that of the Twilight Warcraft 3 server, and most probably various other communities who just want change, change which will consist a more competitive gaming community which is pretty much run by the right people.

For many years gamers in South Africa have had freedom, why should we all be bound to rules set by people that have never played games competitively, or people that frankly do not know whats going on in the community.

When the whole formal part was over, a few of us stayed to chat to the OC guys, we told them that we are more than happy to help with creating a new, better community where everyone has the chance to have a say. The OC crew were very keen, and they said that the MSSA is gone, and they will scrap them.

To be honest, the OC is better off without the MSSA, and with the creation of the OGA which is a non-profit organisation for gaming which will no longer be attached to the MSSA, we can say that this is a really, really good start.

* Side note: After I released this, someone told me that OC would not simply ‘scrap’ the MSSA, but they would look into it. However, after the meeting a few of us stayed behind to chat to the guys, and Dietmar (lan organiser) said that it was gone, they would scrap it. I have added this little piece to avoid any confusion to those that did not hear that little conversation afterwards.

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  • http://www.bravado-gaming.com Machine

    I want to meet this well-informed industry roleplayer. He seems so….so…well-informed.

    I want your babies, nice article :D

    *Edited for my benefit :D

  • http://sex Flipi

    side notes ftw

    im hoping this goes somewhere. was a pretty fun informative meeting. if super badly attended ^^ but thats life.

  • Styx

    Thanks for the overveiw, i wound up missing the meeting.

    I think OC have made the right choice here, im sure that Dietmar will work better with the community than MSSA ever could. After all, a commity of gamers by gamers is only a little bit better than a community for gamers by wargamers players?

  • bvd`ReaVeR

    I really think its disgusting how MSSA acts, especially there way to try and tie our gamers down. I really think the OC crew are a good explain on how to lead the charge against MSSA. So I think an organization like the OGA is exactly what SA gamers need, a non-profit body that is ready to take opinions directly from gamers that have been in the sport and have an idea on what we’re all about.

  • Rocka

    Nice to see coverage of this, but who wrote this article. I found it very hard to follow and full of mistakes

  • http://www.pantheongaming.co.za roskii

    Nice write-up.. Definitely have to thanks everyone that went and voiced their opinions. Gaming belongs to the community and always will be.

    On a side note, Cyrus is a complete idiot :)

  • http://bravado-gaming.com saidin

    @Rocka, that’s why its a blog not a newspaper ^^
    I agree though, a tad more professionalism (not quite journalistic = boring) would be sweet.

  • http://sex Flipi

    im still open for editing ur ranting hey (:

  • http://www.egamer.co.za JackDaniels

    Thing that I realized is that, MSSA is a democracy, run by the gamers for the gamers. People just need to get involved if they want to change the way things are run.

  • Pete

    No.. JackDaniels.

    It was explained at the meeting that if you get involved you vote for a specific pool. Our pool would be computer games. If we vote someone out, then the other two/three pools would vote against us. That means we lose.

    So you’re wrong. It’s a failed democracy.
    Who cares, MSSA Sucks.

  • http://www.xploit.co.za Cyrus

    Lol? that is not what I said at the meeting. Jack is sort for right here. Who is this Pete guy?

    Do you know what democracy means? I never said the boards are the only ones who vote. Each club votes. And as of date, Computer Gaming has the most clubs (maybe not players, but clubs as we got really small clubs). That means Computer Gaming will technically have more say as each member club gets 1 vote.

  • Pete

    That is not what you said at all. The situation about the whole pool thing was still asked and you agreed to it. So do not come and change what you said now.

    You didn’t actually know anything at the meeting Cyrus.

    And whats the point, nothing gets changed anyway, seeing as the other boards still have to approve whatever (whatever – because I don’t care). Someone brought up the topic of removing a certain MSSA member, after the discussion and it being a democracy, you kind of confirmed that it was impossible to get rid of him because of the other ‘pools’.

    Have a great day now!

  • http://www.xploit.co.za Cyrus

    I would never confirm that. Were you on drugs or something? I said all rules go through management board (which as 4 pc gamers and 1 wargamer on at this moment). No boards can vote for who any members of any boards are, thats what the AGM is for, and clubs vote at AGM (1 vote per club). What I said, was that Management Board has to approve decisions that the boards of control make, like rules and schedule etc. And anyone can be on any board. They just need to be voted for at the AGM. And PC Gaming has the most clubs currently, so I don’t see what the problem is. Out of every1 who stood for any position for 2009, the best possible candidates were chosen. Problem is 99% of the gaming community dont even bother being part of a club, nevermind standing for a position. So really, you guys got only yourselves to blame

  • MSSA is a virus

    @Cyrus,

    I’m only going to make 1 statement and then comment on it. And that is this: The MSSA IS A FAILED “democracy”. You say, 1 vote per club.

    So, lets say for example, OC/OGA has 1000 members in their MSSA club, and BOTC has 10 members. In your fucked up voting system, the 1000 members of OC/OGA carry the same weight as the 10 BOTC members, because both clubs get 1 pittiful vote.

    Yeah … that’s some fucked up, pathetic excuse for “democracy”! To me, that’s a TWISTED democracy!

  • http://www.xploit.co.za Cyrus

    That is how any sport works. Maties Rugby is the biggest rugby club in the Southern Hemosphere, yet they only get 1 vote at the AGM of SA’s rugby federation. A club is supose to be a team or a group of teams (1st, 2nd etc.) who represent the club. If 1000 gamers want to play and represent OGA then it is their loss. Nobody is stopping them from creating their own club.

  • -midkemia-

    VIVA OGA VIVA!!!

    Why do we pay heavy fees to become part of MSSA? Why the clubs pay yearly? Why do we pay to play at a MSSA “Approved” lan event?

    What do we get in return for all this money???? a medal… no cash prize… just a piece of plastic coated look-a-like shiny medal

    Please stop trying to make money out of gamers, and come down to earth. You might actually be able to benefit gamers then.